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Bush to address crisis with Russia

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  • 1 vote
#1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
Yerbamate

The title say: 'Unacceptable' that it 'invaded a sovereign neighboring state,' he says.

My question is, so what do you call the war in Iraq? or it is not call invasion?

    #1.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
    obamascrewsus

    How is it that Georgia's soldiers were taken from Iraq by US Choppers, and how is it that US provides aminition to Georgia, and how is it that Georgia attacked Asetia first where more than 50% of population is Russian. A lot of this US media is not telling you. If Philipines is attacked, is US not going to protect it's citizens? United States is helping Georgia from behind the scenes, and making it look like terrible Russia attacking such an "innocent" state. RUSSIA WOULD NEVER ATTACK IF THERE WAS NO REASON TO ATTACK. United States however is at war with Iraq, and has no business of being there. My sources come from Russian news and media. THERE IS ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO THE STORY. RUSSIA IS ONLY THERE TO PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS. Besides, they tried to work things out peacefully. BUSH HAS NO ROOM TO TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 15 votes
    #1.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
    obamascrewsus

    Of course, right now US will try to take attention away from Iraq. BUSH FIX THE MESS YOU CAUSED IN IRAQ FIRST BEFORE STICKING YOUR NOSE INTO SOMEONELSE'S COUNTRY.

    • 12 votes
    #1.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
    George Haggard

    Since there are oil pipe lines that pass through Georgia from the Arab countries to Europe, it is a easy way for Russia to attempt to control the flow of a majority of the world's oil supply, or at least the oil supply of a major part of Europe.

    This really doesn't have much to do with Iraq. It does have everything to do with Russia wanting to be a Major world power again.

    • 6 votes
    #1.4 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
    iakavous

    My friend the oil flows from sovern Russian territory. The Baku oil fields are Russian, and S. Ossetia is in Georgia, when the majority of it's population wants to be part of the Russian state.

    • 5 votes
    #1.5 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
    George Disrespectful

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904

    • 1 vote
    #1.6 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
    George Haggard

    You need to see a map. the oil I am refering to is not produced in Russia, it comes from the middle east!

    • 3 votes
    #1.7 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
    marie thomson

    George,

    You are very insightful. If we accuse the US of going into Iraq for the oil, we surely haven't done a very good job of accomplishing our objective as we have taken NO oil from Iraq at all and have helped the Iraqi's build service stations and rebuild damaged refineries (blown up by terrorists--not US bombs). If we were Russia, believe me the oil tankers would be gorging themselves on Iraqi oil now the US has deposed Saddam and settled down the sectarian conflict.

    Russia has wanted this strip of land for the pipeline from the Middle East indeed and they are like Germany before WWII, trying to see what they can get away with. If the US and the rest of the world lets them get away with this they will move right into Ukraine--which they would dearly love to have back in their empire. Ukraine is bursting with bountiful crops and is the bread basket of the former USSR plus they have the deep water port where the USSR nuke subs are/were and no one seems to know if the Russia or Ukraine controls them.

    If I were in control of the Ukraine, I would have my guns trained on that port which we have leased to the Russians! I would either revoke my lease to them because of their bad behavior in the neighborhood which threatens Ukraine or make sure I have heavy gun and missile emplacements aimed at the Russian ships in the harbor. The second anyone in Russian uniform crosses the border, I'd sink every last one of the ships--new Pearl Harbor style.

    This isn't some little dispute. This is a big play by Russia to return to super power hood. The US national interest lies in making sure that doesn't happen whatever it takes.

    • 3 votes
    #1.8 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
    SuperSapien

    BUSH FIX THE MESS YOU CAUSED IN IRAQ FIRST BEFORE STICKING YOUR NOSE INTO SOMEONELSE'S COUNTRY.

    Fine but it's not just bush who wants this crap to end. It's everyone in the western world. They stand united. Obama wants it to stop too, btw.

    • 1 vote
    #1.9 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
    SteveN-328999

    They're all just posturing! No one's going to actually do anything. They are just trying to make Russia feel guilty and embarassed; It's not going to work.

    • 1 vote
    #1.10 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
    27 year military vet

    I agree that Russia is wrong to invade Georgia But "W", Warmonger, Bush did the same thing in Iraq. What would "Warmonger" Bush have said if Putin had told him and Cheney to get out of Iraq

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
    Writing Athena

    That was one big saber Bush just now rattled, with a promise of a "vigorous" humanitarian campaign led by our military.

    It was a saber that needed to be rattled.

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
    Wilfred of Ivanhoe

    Russia is thumbing their nose at the U.S with impunity. Bush has our military stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan, so he can't do much militarily to affect the situation in Georgia. Therefore Bush "responds" by sending to Georgia his lap dog Condi Rice--one of the most incompetent Secretaries of State in U.S. history. I'm sure the Russians are getting a good laugh out of this dog and pony show.

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
    lilegend

    Hey Bush how come you haven't deployed humanitarian supplies to the US citizens that are poor sick and hungry? WHat about us, this country needs humanitarian help too you know.

    • 3 votes
    #1.14 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
    Kiel-420258

    I just have to ask, is anyone else pulling out their hair when they see Condi or Bush on TV talking crap? Are they seriously telling Russia, whether this war they are having is right or not, to back out? As someone mentioned before, did Bush back out of Iraq when others thought it was a bad idea or wanted the US to not start an "illegal war". He didnt budge. No one budged. I dont even know who or how someone can just slap some sense into these people. There seems to be no accountability when it comes to this administration, and now they are butting into the business of other countries. Why cant they just pay attention to the people who pay their salaries?! WAIT!!!! I know who does...the oil companies pay for Bushs life. Out puny tax dollars dont even make a difference, so why would he listen to anything we have to say? He cant be reelected so he doesnt have to worry about anything. I just think they need to shut their mouths, let them do their own thing, even if it our "ally" we are definitely not in any moral position to be telling people how to run a country, especially when Bush has done such a crappy job himself.

      #1.15 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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      Gary Schneider-416437

      To whom it may concern,
      Who is Bush to want the violence in Russia to stop when we have invaded Iraq & are still there.
      Sounds like different rules for different countries
      GARY

        Reply#2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
        nicolas ismael

        what makes Russia so powerful actually?
        They used to say that Bill Clinton did not have foreign experience while he handled the world crisis better than so many republicans.
        Example: Kossovo and Afghanistan except he did not catch Ben Laden and bring him to justice.
        Now, Russia, knowing that we are weak and busy in Iraq and Afghanistan has taken the opportunity to send to US a clear message, namely: like it or not, what you see is an accomplished fact, we're not giving it up!
        So, I was very very surprised when President Bush did meet with the new president of Russia, answering a question about the last, he said: It seems like a nice guy to me.
        Do you think that Russia will be nice to us?
        That was too naive to me!
        By the way, Russia lets us know that is ready for anything.
        So can we start a fight with Russia? I don't think so!
        However, more than one millions live in New York and send thousands us greens to their parents, Americans tax payer's money. We can send a clear signal from there.
        Also, NATO must act as quick as soon as possible if Russia decides to not stop his incoherency in Georgia.
        So weakness, Weakness! I don't think the republicans did a good job in matter of keeping USA in top!
        then every time President Bush talks about Putin as good friend, I have always seen some sign of hypocrisy through Putin's eyes.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
        Russia's supporter

        Kosovo has one S. Just shows how much you know about that. Second, Bill Clinton did not solve anything in Kosovo, it attacked sovereign country - Serbia, bombed it for 77 days for sole reason of taking that province away from Serbia and creating first NATO country in the heart of Eastern Europe. What do you think - is that democracy ? Why was bombing of Serbia not an "aggression on sovereign country" but bombing of Georgia is? How is that different. What about thousands of people that died back than from US aggression? Only idiots believe in democracy and "spreading of freedom" as Bush likes to put it. It does not matter who is the president of US, their agenda is always the same - conquer the world. If US can attack Serbia, Russia has the same right to attack Georgia. Bush wanted to do the same with Georgia as Clinton did with Kosovo. This is what happens - it's very logical consequence. Someone finally has to stop this US imperialism.

        • 2 votes
        #3.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
        al2k

        Call it what you want . You don't want to live in the US if we came in 5th in the world standing. We have to be number 1 for you to enjoy the freedoms of leaving in the country.

          #3.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
          marie thomson

          WE need to be #1 to defend our freedoms indeed. That means not voluntarily giving up our military supremacy and also not giving up our energy supremacy. Both of these are in serious question if Obama becomes president. God help us if that happens! We may well loose our $1 position in the world from which we can protect our freedoms and our way of life.

          Also, Russia Supporter is correct on Kosovo. We were on the wrong side. How can we justify supporting Islamic terrorists against the Christian European sovereign nation. All we heard about were the rapes taking place against Muslim women (sad of course) but the real travesty there was that these poor Muslim women were raped then thrown out by their husbands as impure. That was the real travesty that their husbands didn't take them to their hearts and sorrow with them for their pain and suffering, but threw them out without food or lodging like yesterday's trash.

          Rapes were going on on both sides but the men of the European ancestry did not curse their wives for surviving the rape and not being killed to defend their virtue. So there wasn't such a big story.

          We bombed and bombed the poor country into submission when we should have helped them get rid of the scourge that Europe is beginning to learn is a scourge--their Muslim population.

          Look at even the Chinese Olympics. Who are they having all the security set up to protect the world's athletes against--their Muslim Islamist Terrorist minority. Everywhere in the world where there are Muslims if the country isn't already dominated by them (and even if its is like in Iraq where Muslims kill Muslims), the terrorism is sponsored by Islamist Jihadists.

          Russia is a huge threat here and we need to seriously address their power grab and stop it now! If we don't we will have a larger conflict with stronger USSR (one with oil and energy power) later.

          • 2 votes
          #3.3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
          developingnationoutsider

          Whoa hang on there Marie,

          It's opinion's like this that are causing the rest of the world to hate the US. Christians and Muslims alike.

          Both Muslims and Christians have histories of death and destruction. Ever hear of a small thing called the Crusades??? Your own country is currently involved in a war to protect it's wealth and to spread your political ideals.

          You say "We need to be #1 to protect our freedoms". This is absolutely dumb founding. What you are saying is "we want to dominate the world with our political and idealogical idea's, through military force". This comes from some insular uneducated beleif that the US is completely right in it's political structure, foreign policy and religious beleifs. And therefore everyone needs to have the same beleifs. And if they don't, we kill them.

          Newsflash: The US is way way way behind the rest of the developed world in thing's that it think it's good at. Take democracy. Your election process is a complete disaster. Your stupid population will vote for whoever is flashed up on their TV screens enough screaming patriotic rhetoric. That's not democracy. That's idiotocracy. To top it off, you rig elections in ways that most african dictators would be chided for! Bush winning the 2001 presidency?? Rigged! Now think about the American way of spreading peace. Your war in Iraq and "at all costs" attitude on getting Osama bin Laden has lead your country into recession while simultaneously making a whole lot of people hate and want to kill you! And it's not just because some of them are muslim. It's because you bomb their towns/countries/families in the name of "peace"! You do that in Australia, the same thing will happen! Do you know where Australia is?

          Wow. How can you be so blind that you don't see this war mongering attitude destroying any hope your children have of living in a peaceful world. Do the world a favour and choke on your patriotic blatherings. The rest of the world will be a more peaceful place because of it.

          • 8 votes
          #3.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:13 AM EDT
          Alexander Parusov

          You think about of interests of USA and its mission, - this is good for you. But in this conflict Russia thinking about saving life of nation, there rights, about lifes of Russian people that living in South Osetia. If you thinking about protection of freedom, why you not thinking of protection of freedom Ossetia Nation that killed by Georgians?
          There are a lot of falsehood and hiding of truth in the internet, newspappers, TV on the topic of war in Georgia.
          The truth is that Georgia first bomed Tskhinvali on the first day of the Olympian Games.
          Georgian soldiers shot Russian Peace-making armies, peaceful population first and only after this Russian troops came to prevent further destruction. They do not captury none-conflict areas of Georgia!
          The detail of this conflict in this fact, that territory of South Osetia is historically not a Georgia territory, - it is a territory of Ossetia nation and it became a part of Georgia in 1922, by the politics of Stalin. And after separation of Soviet Union, begans the conflicts between Georgia and Ossetia on the territory of Ossetian republic. Most people of this republic are also Russian national. Russian soldiers are there on the Peace-making position. Now, from the night 7-8 of august, 2008 we see the real, terrible facts of genocide of Ossetian nation. The power of Georgian army, that attacked Tskhinvaly had more than 12x domination over Ossetian and Russian (Peace-making) armies in this area. So, to protect nation of Ossetian and Peace-making Russians the additional parts of Russian army was moved to the territory of conflict. The result of Georgia aggression is the escalation of situation in Abhazia, - another republic on the territory on the Geargia, where live Abhazia nation and have the same problem as in South Ossetia. Georgia not looks like democratic country, - it looks like fascist country, and lie, provocations are there weapon on the information battle on the minds of the people of the world. Unfortunately, we see support of this evil doings by the most countries of the world, especially by USA, by worldwide mass-media, - support of falsehood. People, do not misbelief, be in truth! History will not fool...

          • 2 votes
          #3.5 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:06 AM EDT
          SuperSapien

          Both Muslims and Christians have histories of death and destruction. Ever hear of a small thing called the Crusades???

          I had this very conversation with someone very recently and he gave me a bit of perspective on that. I'm not Christian so I really didn't understand the history of Christianity but it is, historically, a gentle, equal opportunities religion. That's what it was build to be and does maintain that quite beautifully. Some people take Christianity and twist it violently which can make even the prettiest face seem ugly.

          You say "We need to be #1 to protect our freedoms".

          Unfortunately, most of the freedom of developed nations comes from the fact that we have everything. If we were much poorer, our freedoms would suffer too. This is a hard thing to comment on...

          And therefore everyone needs to have the same beleifs. And if they don't, we kill them.

          Well so far the only casualties here have been Georgians.

          Your stupid population will vote for whoever is flashed up on their TV screens enough screaming patriotic rhetoric. That's not democracy. That's idiotocracy.

          Well I agree with you THERE... but the other side of this entertainment mess is that America produces some brilliant cinema. You're an entertaining culture with a huge foot in the industry. It's bound to happen, unfortunately.

          Bush winning the 2001 presidency?? Rigged!

          Maybe, no one will know for sure. But maybe people were just scared back in those days and voted for the guy who promised the most protection from an enemy they didn't know that much about back then.

          Your war in Iraq and "at all costs" attitude on getting Osama bin Laden has lead your country into recession while simultaneously making a whole lot of people hate and want to kill you!

          I don't know how I feel about the war in Iraq to be honest. THere are lots of things to consider. But I will say this. War doesn't have to be unjust to bring economic problems. Money doesn't care whether you're doing right or wrong. War costs money no matter who you're fighting.

          It's because you bomb their towns/countries/families in the name of "peace"!

          The same toll was taken in the fight against Hitler. The problem here is how we make war. I maintain we should all just get together in a big field and club each other with baseball bats until we're tuckered out. Human beings like to fight and sometimes we have to. But the way we do it isn't helping. No one nation is to blame for that. That's just population screwing progress. The child produced is modern warfare.

            #3.6 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
            Tane-369686

            "developingnationoutsider" you took the words right out of my mouth but said it better. I find what Marie Thomson says a bit offensive and smugly arrogant. Many of us know there is a deep government within the U.S.A. that runs the show, myths, and fabrications with the complicit news media. Kissinger still has his fingers in the pie and so have others. U.S. Americans are led to believe the corporate media that stifles free press.

            "Alexander Parusov", thanks for sharing another side of the story. It retards rash judgements and feeble statements. It gives one pause to think a bit broader to reach the truth. We Hawaii nationals are very familiar with the U.S. actions as we are under U.S. belligerent occupation for over a hundred years. Some U.S. Congress and House Reps tried to right the injustice and criminal actions of its government and restore the Hawaiian Kingdom; but the criminals used all the tricks in the book with powerful men in Congress to keep the occupation backed by their military. We have seen this tableau played over and over in their dealings with other countries. We, too, are seeking U.S. de-occupation of our country.

            It's disgusting listening to Bush-whacker and his rogue regime, the pot, calling the kettle black; and hilariously embarrassing to hear him spout his phony gibberish. It is tragic with what is going on in Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, in other countries under similar circumstances and for Hawai'i, my country, whom I love so deeply. Instead of feeding the corporation's gluttonous appetite, we should be feeding the people a world of freedom and peace.

            • 1 vote
            #3.7 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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            Bunni McLaughlin

            Message to Mr. Bush. Stay the hell out of this one. It is NOT our fight. We can't be the gate-keepers for the whole freaking world. If they want to fight and kill each other, let God sort them out and let us have peace on earth.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#4 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
            Poet

            Amen Bunni, I think we need to keep our country out of all that controversial stuff going on over seas. I also think Bush is dragging our country down the tubes and he needs to do something about whats going on over here before he starts poking his nose into the business of other countries. We need a DEMOCRAT back in office.

            • 3 votes
            #4.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
            Oilman

            Yeah....let's have our grandchildren deal with this one. We don't have the stones in this generation to be tough.

            • 3 votes
            #4.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
            marie thomson

            It is certainly our fight. If we allow the Russia to take this oil pipeline so they can choke off the oil supplies to Europe at will, they can use this to retake all of their empire and reform the USSR with all the oppression that that caused for millions behind the "iron curtain." Have you forgotten the sorrow and sadness that communism/socialism Marxist style caused for those populations. Have you forgotten how many people died just trying to get over, under or some way around the wall in Germany?

            Communism is evil incarnate. Ask survivors of Pol Pot in Cambodia, or Ethiopians who lived under the Dergue or anyone from Russia etc. This great evil is our business as a Russian super-power is against our national interest. The constitution in its first paragraph says the purpose of the union is to "provide for the common defense." Keepin the Soviet Union (Russia plus it's sattelites) in check is one of our most crucial national defense obligations to the US citizens.

            • 2 votes
            #4.3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
            SuperSapien

            Bunni, you should add mr. Obama's name to that list too. And while you're at it, add mr stephen harper. And the leaders of most of the EU. EVERYONE wants this mess to end. People are dying. It's only right to try and do something.

              #4.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
              Sigh-268832

              Oilman
              Yeah....let's have our grandchildren deal with this one. We don't have the stones in this generation to be tough.

              2!#4.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:27 PM CDT

              Good idea - maybe they'll use another part of the anatomy and the madness will cease

                #4.5 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
                shawn-

                Marie Thompson....what delusional holier than thou hog wash. What power drunk ramblings and what arrogance. We did not inherit this planet so we could stamp our likeness and idiosyncrasies on it as we see fit.
                We have little moral ground to stand on here since our "wonderful leader" Bush has wee-weed all over our standing and creditability around the world not no mention our own constitution.
                Our own bully is now forced to face a tougher one in Putin who he chided in his arrogance as someone "we could do business with". I can imagine what Putin muttered to himself and the Russians thought of that ridiculous remark.
                Unfortunately the stakes are much higher and the adversary much more savvy, hungry and unpredictable. No thanks to Bush's blunders and over arching we are mired in useless endeavors to respond to real threats.
                Reagan's legacy was at least among conservatives of one who broke the Soviet Union will Bush's legacy be of one who put it back together.
                True world class leaders use diplomacy and soft power almost exclusively and save the military might for backing off real threats like this one.
                Speak softly and carry a big stick.
                I just hope we have learned some lasting lessons here.

                • 1 vote
                #4.6 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
                Kori

                Marie T:

                It is certainly our fight. If we allow the Russia to take this oil pipeline so they can choke off the oil supplies to Europe at will, .....

                I say if this is the case, let the nations of Europe decide what's best to do and deal with it. We're kinda busy right now with Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm all for supplying aid to the victims of this growing mess, but we can't get involved militarily.

                  #4.7 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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                  PurpleChiten

                  Nicolas,
                  I just want to clafiry (mostly for others). The reason Clinton "did not capture Bin Laden and bring him to justice" is that Clinton wasn't in office when Bin Laden attacked. That was bush's baby.
                  IF 911 had happened on Clinton's watch, Bin Laden would have been found, tried and put to death almost 6 years ago.
                  I realize you are probably referring to Bin Laden's known status as a terrorist at the time, but Clinton had no evidence upon which to pursue or hold him and under international law could not do anything about "capturing" Bin Laden for anything. If he had the legal standing, he would have done so, but there was none at that time. Just wanted to clarify that for others.
                  Otherwise, I agree completely with your post. You are completely right about what is going on over there.

                  purplechiten.wordpress.com

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#6 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
                  Richard S.

                  I'm pretty sure the 1998 embassy bombings were under the Clinton admin, and what did Clinton do? Nothing. Under the Clinton admin there were multiple instances in which operatives had either a clean sniper shot or confirmation of his whereabouts, and what did the Clinton admin do? Nothing.
                  He was slapped with an arrest warrant by Interpol in 1998 and indictied by a US grand jury. In 1999 he was put on the FBI most wanted fugitives list, so he was already considered a threat before Bush took office. So PurpleChiten get your facts straight, Clinton had the opportunities to take down Bin Laden and he didn't do anything.

                  • 5 votes
                  #6.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
                  PurpleChiten

                  No Richard, they didn't have the legal proof to take him down. Get YOUR facts straight. Opportunity isn't worth squat if you don't have the legal standing. It's called "murder" when it's done without the legal standing.
                  If you're going to be snarky, at least get the facts straight!

                  • 3 votes
                  #6.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
                  Richard S.

                  Hmmm Im pretty sure you could bring someone into custody with an arrest warrant from interpol...

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
                  auguste

                  Reagan was president when the marines were killed by terrorists in Lebanon. What did he do?

                    #6.4 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
                    Don-370068

                    Purple Chiten,
                    You are so off base and wrong it's pathetic.
                    Clinton dropped the ball on this one. Everyone knows it. You left leaning Demcomms are so Bush hating happy that it clouds your low intelligence.

                      #6.5 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
                      al2k

                      How about the first World trade center bombing. I love Clinton, but he drop the ball on this one.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.6 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
                      marie thomson

                      Wrong about Bin Laden. Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter not once, but three times and heaven only knows why he didn't take him. It would have spared the US a lot of grief. He has been on the move for decades now.

                      • 3 votes
                      #6.7 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
                      Go USA

                      9/11 happened because of Bill Clinton and his do nothing administration.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.8 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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                      YouAreAllBeingLiedTo

                      There were over 2,000 US and Israeli military "advisers" placed in Georgia this spring to preclude the attack that was made on the South Ossetia region of Georgia. Don't be surprised if you see (but you probably won't on mainstream news) the Russians displaying dead and captured US soldiers from this war. This attack by the US backed Georgian military happened in the middle of the night last Thursday and was nothing short of a slaughter of innocent civilians that are passport carrying Russian citizens. Russian forces immediately retaliated to eliminate the threat at their southern border and now they are the bad guys. Wake up people! You are being lied to by your government and your so-called news is being fabricated and spoon fed to you. Stop sucking your thumbs and watching this crap and start seeking the truth!

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#7 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
                      Otto,Ephrata

                      I agree with you 100% there,and I also agree with Putin. Get the President from Giorgia and hang him for crime committed to the people of South Ossetia, He should finish what the Georgian started if not they will try again....

                      This for Bush.Bush stay out of this, this is not a back water Islamic Country . This is Russia one of the Big Boys.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
                      Oilman

                      Yeah....let's all listen to Otto, Ephrata...he's a real credible guy....Yeah right...who the hell is Otto, Epharta and better yet...who the hell cares

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
                      marie thomson

                      Preclude means head off. I imagine the US saw Russia building up for this move on Ossetia for some time. They were way too prepared once they had provoked a skirmish to have responded as they did if this wasn't pre planned by Russia all along.

                      Russia has border skirmishes with China all the time but doesn't move like they did here against this less powerful nation.

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
                      SuperSapien

                      This for Bush.Bush stay out of this, this is not a back water Islamic Country . This is Russia one of the Big Boys.

                      Ok. I assume you're Russian as you speak of russia in the first person so can I get you to pass a message along from CANADA? Please, please stop killing innocent people. That's all. Fight each other like crazy, just be careful where you shoot. Innocent people are dying and NO ONE should want that or promote that.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
                      jjgate

                      SuperSapien - that's right, georgians killed about 2,000 innocent civilians, women and children. They bombed and burned the city in the middle of night. Nobody should be allowed to do it unpunished.

                        #7.5 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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                        PurpleChiten

                        You are right on the money with your post "YouAreAllBeingLiedTo". This is just another bush set-up or mess-up or war crime. George Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world today and he continues to terrorize other nations as well as his own people with congress doing NOTHING to stop, prevent or punish him for his multiple war crimes and treason.
                        It's sickening to see the atrocities this man has wrought.

                        Anyone else see this as an opportunity for bush to get us into yet another war, declare martial law and suspend the November elections to hold on to his office of POTUS indefinitely? Congress should have impeached him and should still impeach him before he gets us into World War III.
                        Pelosi, do your job instead of trying to slip your "chosen one" through the laws set forth by the US Constitution. You, Pelosi, share bush's guilt in this. Step down and allow someone who can do the job to step in and do what needs to be done. Congress should impeach you right along with bush and cheney!

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#8 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
                        Jim in Texas

                        Isn't it a bit strange that Bush claims Russia's response in Georgia is "disproportionate" but when Israel was bombing the sh*t out of Lebanon, he didn't utter so much as a peep. I doubt Bush wants to antagonize the Russians ~ they won't turn and run as did half the Iraqi army and Putin is still pissed at the prior meddling Bush has done in her internal affairs.

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
                        shawn-

                        Jim in Texas. Excellent observation. Our memories are so short here in the US. Our own idiotic policies set this presidence and now we are paying the price for it and Bush is clueless as usual.
                        Israel not only destroyed that little country in Lebanon they also left behind a million bomlets to maim and kill little kids after the destruction was complete.

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.2 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
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                        Markdw

                        George Bush is the most ineffective President in terms of influence, stature and respect among the powerful nations of the world. He is up against the consummate ruler/dictator who is at the top of his game. Putin has no respect for Bush and knows that the U.S. nor Europe can do anything to help Georgia. He will crush Georgia and then extend Russian influence in the region and into the Middle East and beyond.

                        Since Putin has a global strategy and the only formidable political force is China, he will wait us out and continue to smile at Bush's mess in Iraq and Afghanistan.

                        George Bush talks about shock and awe. Putin does not say a word and does just that to Georgia and the rest of the world.

                        George Bush can high-five all of the athletes in Beijing that he wants but he is truly out of his league when it comes to dealing with Putin.

                          Reply#9 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
                          4everamericaDeleted
                          roscoe-416560

                          bush, mind you own damn business and stay the hell out of this. we have enough trouble already thanks to you!

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#11 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
                          Nicholas Chorey

                          Me thinks that Dubya speaks with forked tongue. HYPOCRIT!!!! TRAITOR!!!

                            Reply#12 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
                            sneilarrealDeleted
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                            Nicholas Chorey

                            What do you think would happen if Georgia decided to break away from the Union of the United States.
                            It would be a Bush Barbeque! LEAVE THEM ALONE, you've already done enough harm to our Constitution and the Bill of Rights! As Keith Olberman said of Bush " you've urinated on the Constitution " and you expect to be a MORAL FORCE IN THE WORLD. THE (MOST OF THE WORLD COUNTRIES DESPISE US BECAUSE OF YOU! MR. dubya Bush. Shut up before you cause us more harm and continue to ruin our reputation.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#17 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
                            san anton kid

                            Keith olberman is an Idiot. If you are listening to him you have no cred. Study a little history and not the newly invented re-written drivel. There is a lot more to this than you know or will ever know about.

                            • 1 vote
                            #17.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                            Jim in Texas

                            Olberman is a strange cat for rightwingers to understand. He presents irrefutable evidence to back up his stories. Were this not true, every talking head on radio and TV would be roasting him on a spit ~ ~ ~ but they are not, because they can't. Oh, they try to berate him as an individual but his presentations are rock solid. Of course you are free to take him to task on substance and content. Maybe you have discovered things that O'Reilly, Hanity, Limbaugh, Levin, Davis, Williams, McNamara, Kristol, Krauthammer, and all the other righteous righties have missed. But I doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't be grabbing at straws with "idiot" as your only indictment. And please share with us all the "unknown" knowledge you have about the Russia-Georgia clash. I'll put up my screen guard to protect against the glare all the enlightenment that is sure to follow.

                            • 2 votes
                            #17.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
                            George Haggard

                            Jim, I believe that Keith Olberman is a political comedian. I really did not think anyone took him seriously. To discover any adult would is quite a surprise to me.

                            • 2 votes
                            #17.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
                            Jim in Texas

                            But of course they do, George. He is the flip side of the other comedians that hog the radio and TV screens. But in a sense you are right about the comedy. He uses current politics as his material ~ and no writer could top that in hilarity. Even Comedy Channel has trouble keeping up ~ ask Colbert. Olberman is funny. Look at the clowns he is reporting on. How could he be otherwise?

                            • 1 vote
                            #17.4 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
                            Jessicaf

                            Our country runs on checks and balances, all of our senators, house of representitives, and our president, have all been put into office from American voters. We have chosen the many people who lead us but then when our economy is bad choose to blame the government and act like we did not choose them to be there. I find it sad and hypocritical. Our entire government chooses to go to war and all of the other bills passed, checks and balances. Maybe you should all go back and see who you have voted for or if you didn't vote at all and what bills they have supported, because you helped to put them there.

                              #17.5 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
                              Jessicaf

                              Our country runs on checks and balances, all of our senators, house of representitives, and our president, have all been put into office from American voters. We have chosen the many people who lead us but then when our economy is bad choose to blame the government and act like we did not choose them to be there. I find it sad and hypocritical. Our entire government chooses to go to war and all of the other bills passed, checks and balances. Maybe you should all go back and see who you have voted for or if you didn't vote at all and what bills they have supported, because you helped to put them there.

                                #17.6 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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                                lil demon

                                An invasion he says, yet what does he call what he did with Iraq....an intervention? Bush needs to just sit out the rest of his term and hope that afterwards he doesn't have to go to prison for warcrimes. He no longer speaks for the American people in my opinion. He needs to stay out of this one and keep whatever credit we still have with the rest of the world as-is.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#18 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
                                PurpleChiten

                                ******edited - profanity removed*****
                                Sorry, but bush has no room, nor reason to say anything about it. It is very wrong for Russia to do this and the UN should address it immediately. However, bush did much worse and was just as wrong, if not more so when he invaded iraq without support from the UN and against their wishes as well as the wishes of other countries and the citizens of THIS country. Anything bush says will be ignored by the international community. HE opened the door for Russia's action, HE showed that any country was free to invade any other "just because they wanted to". Iraq's invasion by bush was an illegal action for which he should be impeached. He should have been impeached long ago along with cheney. The reason Congress' job approval is so low is that they refuse to do what should be done and put him on trial for his war crimes. Bush needs to sit back and keep his mouth shut, he's the one who paved the way for Russia and any other country who would like to have a pre-emptive strike for any falsified reason they can come up with. It's frightening that bush's actions opened up our OWN COUNTRY to invasion by setting the standard by which others can act. If Congress can't see now that bush should have been impeached and at least act on it now, then they can share his guilt.
                                If bush had not illegally invaded iraq and gotten away with it, Russia would not be doing this right now. This is your legacy dumbya, doesn't it make you proud that Russia has decided to follow in YOUR footsteps? Will WE be next on the invasion list for some other foreign country? This is YOUR creation bush and you deserve ALL of the blame for iraq and at least HALF the blame for what Russia is doing right now.
                                Furthermore, why are they talking about "What would Obama do?". Obama is NOT the president and will not be the president. If you haven't noticed, he's imploding as we speak and will be completely out of the national news within the next month. Obama is history, he won't be president, he won't even be the democratic nominee after the convention. Nobody cares what Obama would do, Obama is a coward, a liar, a filthy, crooked chicago politician. He's the xerox copy of bush with even less of a spine.
                                You should be asking "What would Hillary do?". She's the only one who has a chance of cleaning up bush's mess and will be our next POTUS when all is said and done.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#19 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
                                John in Moapa

                                QUESTION? THE ARTICLES ARE STARTING TO APPEAR THAT THE GEORGIA/RUSSIA ISSUE IS McCAIN AND OBAMA'S "FIRST TEST." WAS THE SAME QUESTION RAISED ABOUT IRAQ WHEN RUSSIA "ELECTED" IT'S NEW PRESIDENT?

                                  Reply#20 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
                                  Protecting the Innocent

                                  Of course he'll attack Russia - they're defenseless like Iraq. Bush does not have the backbone to attack a powerful nation like Korea (even though everyone knows for sure that they have weapons of mass destruction) or China, which invaded sovereign neighboring state Tibet. How does such a hypocritical bindle stiff like Bush sleep at night? He's done the same things that he's criticized other nations for doing.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#21 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
                                  George Haggard

                                  If anyone would look at a map it would be easy to see that the real reason the Russians want to take the mountain pass in this region is that most of the oil supplied to Europe flows through pipe lines through this area.

                                  The control of energy is power. If you don't see that, then you are about to be blindsided!

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #21.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
                                  marie thomson

                                  The control of energy is power and yet the US is so blind we are leaving our great supplies of energy producing oil in the ground in Utah/Colorado, Montana/Dakotas/Wyoming, Michigan, offshore, Alaska. What do we not understand about energy equals power and we need power in this world which is not in a very nice neighborhood.

                                  We are unilaterally allowing some of the traitors in our own government to hobble this great nations potential and send us back to being some kind of a third world nation.

                                  Folks on this board push for energy development.

                                  Russia is making a big play here to corner the oil market. Their two large state owned oil companies make Exxon's profits look like a drop in the bucket. Then they will move on every other drop of oil in the region (or out of it) and will have the military might (fueled by oil) to take over the world.

                                  In one graduate political science class I took, a top level military advisor brought in a map of the world with overlays showing where resources were located--oil, gold, agricultural lands, water. Then he pointed out where the next conflicts would. It has always been about resources and power. All you cumbyah types, please recognize either you are in power or you are being abused by those who are (and Russia will not be a kind master).

                                  If you don't understand that simple fact, get out of the way of those who do and who will protect your rights to be imbeciles sitting around thinking all societies are of equal worth.

                                  If that were so why would millions from all over the world be trying to flock to the US to get in on the protection and freedom we have here?

                                  Russia must be dealt with swiftly. Bush has done just the right thing (as has McCain) in condemning the Russians actions and it IS being taken to the UN. The problem there is obvious. Russia has a veto and will certainly not countenance a vote of sanction against their actions. We'll see what transpires when they defend their position as they have said they will.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #21.2 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
                                  Travis-416953

                                  The only thing you forgot was that it was Georgia that attacked Russia, Hence the fighting began in Russia(Ossetia) with their cities and people being hit first by U.S. backed Georgian Military.

                                  If you could take your high level of education and apply some reality to it that might help.

                                  Bush is A traitor and should be tried as such He is A third generation Skull and Bones Man
                                  His grandfather was financing and supporting the Nazi's , Him and his Buddie Dick need to be impeached and tried for treason then striped of all the wealth they have gained off the American tax payer, And their grand children.

                                  The Russian's are no saints but if you think we are securing anything by attacking them you are sadly mistaken. This Is but one part in A very large script the end's with the U.S. taking it on the chin. You are living in A Tom Clancy video game if you think this will end well.

                                  Grow up Bush has not done anything right including stopping 9/11
                                  the only thing worse than someone who buys into this NWO crowd's B.S.
                                  Are the people who think Mccain And Obama Are any different . It is A fixed Contest
                                  They both have the same globalist slave master's.

                                    #21.3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:13 AM EDT
                                    developingnationoutsider

                                    "If that were so why would millions from all over the world be trying to flock to the US to get in on the protection and freedom we have here?"

                                    Because you are the biggest bullies in the neighbourhood. And short term (within a person's lifetime) it's preferrable to be a lackey to a bully than not.

                                    I know a whole shebang of people that have left the US as they could not stand to live in a society so blinded by greed and it's attempts at political hegemony. Foreigners who stay are desperate people who are willing to sacrifice morals and conscience for $$.

                                    There are a lot of Americans who and are trying damn hard to change nihilistic attitudes to the rest of the world that people like you have however. If you tried to live in a place that was predominantly muslim, you would realise that these people are just like you. Only a whole lot less bigoted.

                                      #21.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:07 AM EDT
                                      Jessicaf

                                      what makes more sense, Georgia attacking Russia, or Russia attacking Georgia? I think common sense can answer this one.

                                        #21.5 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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                                        Jan-357844

                                        Clinton could have had Bin Laden. 9/11 was planned before Bush was president. Probably during the Clinton years since he did nothing about all the other attacks.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#22 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
                                        auguste

                                        What did Reagan do when the marines were killed in Lebanon by the terrorists? Zip, zero, nada.

                                          #22.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
                                          George Haggard

                                          Reagan did to do something, he attacked Granada!

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #22.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
                                          PurpleChiten

                                          You can't arrest someone BEFORE they commit a crime. We don't have "thought police" even though it DOES seem like Orwell's 1984

                                            #22.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
                                            Tane-369686

                                            "Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter not once, but three times and heaven only knows why he didn't take him."

                                            Was that before or after the CIA funded, trained, and supported Bin Laden and his merry men in driving out the Russians from Afghanistan?

                                            Or could it be the close ties the Bush family had with the Bin Laden family?

                                            Or can it be because Bin Laden is a Saudi Arabian?

                                              #22.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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                                              June-416614

                                              Wow... People,
                                              Russia invaded a country and killing civilians. I don't like to see the US getting involved in another conflict at all. But I was expecting some "condemning words" toward Russia not toward Bush. We should not be involved in every issues in the world, but something needs to be done. These Russians are ruthless but NATO, UN, G7, and the US are just watching them march because of fear of retaliation from Russia. I just hope that we are not invaded again, ever. Oh, I am sorry. We are one of NATO country, so they will fight for us, right?

                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#23 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
                                              seenitallnow

                                              Well said. Instead of focusing on what is happening, it is just being used as another opportunity for "Bush-bashing." There is a time and a place for everything. As far as NATO fighting for us if we are ever invaded, I won't hold my breath.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #23.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
                                              The source

                                              I'm sorry but where do you get off saying that Russians are killing civilians?? Georgia invaded South Ossetia, which has had an independent government since the early 90s, which has a population full of Russians, and started leveling cities! Civilians that did not get a chance to get evacuated where hiding in the basements of homes and buildings, and the Georgian soldiers would come and throw granades into these basement entrances, killing children, women and senior citizines. What was Russia supposed to do when a large number of Russian citizens are on the phone and on the radio screaming for help???

                                              United States has been prepping Georgia for this attack of South Ossetia in order to gain a position for its annoying missile interception stuff.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #23.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
                                              PurpleChiten

                                              We won't be invaded. The terrorists of the world (bush/cheney) are our "elected leaders", they're already here. You can't invade a place if you are already in control of it.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #23.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
                                              Selendrile

                                              Please get your facts straight.

                                              GEORGIA who initiated the conflict by invading countries. RUSSIA came to assist the pleading countries, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. There was little time for the citizens to evacuate.

                                              but GEORGIA started the war.

                                              http:// www. nzherald. co.nz /section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10526482&pnum=0 (without the spaces)

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #23.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
                                              Michael-302807

                                              Selendrile,

                                              You are exactly right. I believe calling a truce and retreating is the best solution, for both sides!!! Stop the violence. Blowing people and things up for???

                                              And America should NOT get involved except humanitarian efforts for the civilians and wounded.

                                              Apparently many of those posting here don't know their facts, but are eager to post opinions without reason or cause.

                                              I feel sorry for the people suffering.

                                                #23.5 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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                                                Proud to be an American

                                                PurpleChiten.. Please do not clarify things you know nothing about. A goal to "suspend the November elections"? ridiculous.... Do your homework.... Clinton would not let our military go after Bin Laden and they knew exactly where he was(on his watch). This is documented with photo's. Bin Laden most certainly could have been picked up with evidence they had. If Bin Laden would have been captured at that time thousands would still be alive and who knows what impact their captured leader would have had on terrorism. It seems that terrorist(s) had 8 years to build their army while Clinton significantly reduced the US Military.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#24 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
                                                Jim in Texas

                                                Yep. That he did, after taking the matter to the Pentagon which deep-sixed the idea of going after OBL. It would have been a helicopter mission and two (2) refueling stops would have been required, both going in and coming out. Not feasible, said the military. Further, we would have to violate sovereign air space in order to get there and back ~ and getting permission would have tipped our hand and exposed our forces to unwarranted risks. Comparative difference between Clinton and Bush: Clinton took the advice of his military professionals and heeded their advice ~ Bush would have cashiered the flag officers until he found one that agreed with him. Its a matter of judgement. I do not say Clinton had great judgement, but I can say Bush has absolutely none.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #24.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
                                                PurpleChiten

                                                9/11 didn't happen on Clinton's watch "proud to be american". It happened on bush's watch.
                                                You can twist it and turn it, but it still stands, 9/11 AND the Iraq debacle are both bush's babies.

                                                Clinton WANTED to go after Bin Laden, the republicans wouldn't let him and you know that.

                                                Heck, I'll go a step further. I believe bush could very well have as much, or more, to do with 9/11 than bin laden did.

                                                Bush is a terrorist and a war criminal. Hopefully, somebody will eventually get the backbone to do something about it and hold him accountable.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #24.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
                                                marie thomson

                                                9/11 happened early in Bush's presidency and was planned and carried close to fruition on Clinton's watch with little or no scrutiny of Muslims which should have been done. We have Lynden Johnson to thank for all the Muslim invasion (trojan horse allowing them in large numbers into the country). Prior to his presidency they were rightly considered "less than desirable" and strict quotas kept them coming in small numbers where they could be carefully checked.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #24.3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
                                                PurpleChiten

                                                Sit back and watch. See what happens before you get arrogant and make a fool of yourself. You have no idea what level of treason bush is capable of and how much he has already committed.
                                                If you wish to be taken by surprise, that's fine, but don't say you weren't warned when it happens.
                                                When it does happen, you can send your apology to me and drop your arrogance. Your mind is closed and you aren't ready to listen. When it happens, remember this and remember your own remarks.

                                                  #24.4 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
                                                  Barbara in Houston

                                                  Marie Thomson, You absolutely take my breath away. What religion are you? No matter. How about if we scrutinize every goose-stepping person who has the name Marie? Muslim is a religion, terrorism is the danger. Terrorists should be watched. Remember OKC? I do.

                                                    #24.5 - Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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                                                    vik223

                                                    It is true that Georgia made a huge mistake, and should be punished. But this is not some sort of peace-keeping mission! This is an invasion! If we don't act, the Government will be disposed of. This kind of thing is what the USA should be fighting, not sending our forces on a wild goose chase.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#25 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
                                                    Jim in Texas

                                                    "If we don't act, the Government will be disposed of."

                                                    Vic, communications is not suffering a deficit in this day and age. Don't you think it would be within the province of Georgia to ask for help if they wanted it? Or do we assume the role so often played out under Bush ~ ~ "we know best what is best for you." Bush and Cheney never saw a war they didn't want to get involved in. Maybe they can persuade our other peace loving and law abiding ally to engage ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Israel. Whaddaya think?

                                                      #25.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
                                                      KS_Jon

                                                      A government that attacks innocent civilians as they sleep, in my opinion, should be disposed of. Interesting how you didn't finish your thought.

                                                        #25.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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                                                        Yerbamate

                                                        The title say 'Unacceptable' that it 'invaded a sovereign neighboring state,' he says.
                                                        My question is "What do you call the war in Iraq? It is not invasion?
                                                        And is not only Iraq, you may check out a film called "Why do we fight" and it will show you all the invasions done.

                                                          Reply#26 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
                                                          4everamerica

                                                          It's sad to see someone not like your comment, when everyone knows it's the truth.

                                                            Reply#27 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
                                                            Don Railey

                                                            With Dubya's unilateral attacks on a sovereign Iraq, how does George think he has any justification in his sizing up Mr. Putin's reasons for doing in Georgia, what he did in Iraq?? Did not Iraq have an elected government as he now claims as a violation by Russia's attack on Georgia? Must be Dubya's feelings of superiority or maybe God didn't lead Putin's efforts like He did George's. Oh well, I suppose it makes him seem relevant to himself and his crony administration.

                                                              Reply#28 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
                                                              Proud to be an American

                                                              Oh yeah bringing down a brutal murdering dictator that supported terrorism is the same as the Russian Government invading a democratic country.

                                                              Have you been to the Middle East? They are very happy to be free.

                                                              • 4 votes
                                                              Reply#29 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
                                                              LA-416216

                                                              Proud to be an American
                                                              Yes, I have and I can tell you that THEY ARE NOT HAPPY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FREE!!!! You cannot be free if your country has been invaded and opressed!!

                                                                #29.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
                                                                Lucho-350518

                                                                What are you talking about? Free?? Georgia should change leadership, they are war criminals!!

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #29.2 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
                                                                Don Railey

                                                                I see you're a proud to be "Bush" American. No matter the 9/11 commission and now the Pentagon,
                                                                FBI, CIA and every organization other than this Whitehouse says Saddam Hussein and Iraq had "NOTHING" to do with 9/11. Yes Saddam was a brutal dictator. But that in itself is not justification for the destruction and loss of both American and Iraqi lives that this "brutal" Administration have caused.
                                                                This Country that you (and I) are so proud of is on the brink of financial collapse. The rest of the world could give a hoot about the U.S. We spend Trillions repairing what this Administration has done to the reputation of the greatest Nation on earth by the destruction in Iraq. That is called "good foreign policy" while our own citizens living in New Orleans, which by the way is part of "this country", still struggle 4 years after Kattrina destroyed their lives. And to help them or any American city, school, highways, crumbling infrastructure is "socialism".

                                                                You say the folks in the middle east are free??? Not on the news I watch. You must watch Fox News or the Disney Channel.

                                                                  #29.3 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                                                                  PurpleChiten

                                                                  I didn't think there were any people left who actually supported bush the war criminal. INVADING iraq was illegal and a war crime. Bush is a terrorist. Now we're hearing the Georgia attacked first, so Russia has a right to fight back.
                                                                  I'll never understand the twisted mind of radical right wing extremists who want to be armchair generals, sending our soldiers to die in matters that don't involve us all for the opportunity to "cheer on dumbya" or to see carnage or to gain more oil or power. It's really sad that people like this are still behaving this way.

                                                                    #29.4 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
                                                                    al2k

                                                                    America should not dictated because of what happen in Iraq. Iraq was a big mistake from my point of view, but shoutd we keep our head down because of it. No, we are a superpower.

                                                                      #29.5 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
                                                                      KS_Jon

                                                                      Please read up about Georgia's last election; use various sources not just what's been recently said and then ask yourself if Georgia is trully democratic.

                                                                        #29.6 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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                                                                        djorlando

                                                                        Why doesn't this prick of a criminal president and his family just do us all a f...ing favor and swallow a cyanide tablet. That would be the patriotic thing to do.

                                                                          Reply#30 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
                                                                          Greg F

                                                                          Dubya needs to STFU and go away. Who is he to accuse someone of "invasion" As for all the Bushies on here, Clinton couldn't go after bin Laden because the Republican controlled congress didn't want to provoke a war. In other words, quit watching "Faux" News

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                                                                          Reply#31 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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