Obama tells McCain to lay off

Punch??? That is not the way of Americans. What happened to the preaching of BHO to unite.

If Obama wanted to smear McCain he certainly could.

I enjoyed the cross in the dust Christmas story McCain told...and I enjoyed it the first time I read it back in the 80s in a book written by a Russian author.

There is no end to what could be said about McCain, but Obama is holding his punches. I am not so sure he is doing the right thing.

You've got to admire Obama for going into unfriendly situations like Rick Warren's Saddleback forum and the VFW meeting. You won't see McCain going into much unfriendly territory. His handlers won't let him.

That author was Solzhenitsyn. It was in his autobiography about when he was imprisoned in the Soviet Union. McCain supposedly wrote an article about him earlier this month, so I guess his memory got mixed up and McCain thought it had happened to him!!!! Typical old guy crap.

65 year olds don't talk or type like this.........did you mean to say you're 25? probably just a little typo, huh?

what does your magic age detector tell you about me...should i use expressions like twenty three scadoo...or far out man. that's so radical this post is so @!$%#'n.
i'm just not sure what age has to do with anything except for in mccains case cuz lets face it, holmes is older than dirt.
now that thats done, i think the more obama holds back the more of a blowback against him there will be when his vp nominee starts doing the campaign job that they traditionally do which is trash the other candidate as much as possible. mccain has so many character flaws it's hard to know where to start. i think by the end of sept. or early oct. we will see ads and statements thrashing mccain the way he deserves to be after the campaign he's run.

Trish, wake up and stop believing the lies from Obama before your social security is wiped out and you have to use your head, because you aren't right. A Christian (aas Obama says he is) does not believe in evolution and does not believe there are many ways to Heaven; BHO is only pandering for votes and you believe him??? Save us from fools and idiots.

First the tax break or seniors is an excellent start to addressing the senior population .
Second, you cannot judge or question a person's faith and heir relationship with God until you are without a flaw. Blessed are the pure of heart......I believe Obama has a good heart. A decent man. A good father. and YES, a good Christian man.

Christian==is not defined by us or you. Just as there are many other religions in the world and people who do not exhibit a "Christian" label, but who live their lives beautifully and rightly by their own culture and religion.

Go back to sleep old man. Maybe you can dream of an Obama with a apine. Obama doesn't have any character, so McCain hasn't brought it up.

It didn't take long for McSame to embrace the GOP slime machine did it? Yes indeed, I say fight back and go nuclear.

Let's start with John McCain recent and past extramarital affairs. As we all know, McSame dumped his first wife, who stood by him during his Vietnam captivity, and cheated on her with Cindy McCain while she was near death from an auto accident. McSame is an even bigger skunk than John Edwards. As I recall there was also a big NY Times story highlighting his romantic liaisons with Washington lobbyist Vicki Iseman, let's revisit that and dig deeper and splatter the airwaves, blogs and internet.

Then highlight all of McSame's senile gaffes and mis-statements. I am not sure if old chicken arms even knows where Iraq even is.

Then slice and dice McSame's numerous flip flops.

Hang the trillion bucks, tens of thousands of US casualties around McSame's neck from Operation Iraqi Blunder and point out how his "surge" has undermined the campaign in Afghanastan, the real war on terror.

Point out how McSame is married to a millionare beer heiress, wears $520 Ferragamo loafer, and wants even bigger tax cuts for the rich while the rest of us get squat and wants to give bigger tax breaks to companies outsourcing jobs overseas. He is a fat cat neo con who could care less about the common working man.

Point out that McSame is bought and paid for by the oil lobby.

Hang all of the racist smear attacks around McSame's neck (we have all seen the hate mailers and email slime), call him out for his racist attacks and highlight his opposition to Martin Luther King Day to drive the point home. McSame is a grumpy old man with no positive agenda for the future and he and the GOP just don't like black and brown people.

Nail McSame to the wall over Social Security and his desire to privatize it, thus jeapordising our nation's seniors.

And of course slam him for having the exact same foreign and economic policies as Bush.

Let's get into the fight!

Awwwwwww!

I'm with you! Obama '08!

Wilfred of Ivanho,
How exactly was Saddleback an "unfriendly situation"? Both
candidates were asked the same questions. Questions that had to be answered
so that the voters knew exactly where they stand on the issues. As you saw,
Barry talked his way around, or completely refused to answer, almost all of the
questions. Maybe you are comfortable voting for someone based on popularity,
I'm not. Most voters won't. Most are intelligent enough to base their votes on
experience, integrity and stances on social issues. Would it be more friendly if
they had a debate hosted by Keith Olbermann or Phil Donahue? They tried to
have the most biased moderator, I guess Tim Robbins was busy?

I'm with you I am a white 32 yr old mother of 2. Although I would never have an abortion I will not take that right from anyone. I got in to a fight with my Dad over this whole aborted baby act.....my whole point shut him up is that these babies will be worse off (most likely) than the handicapped child I take care of. His reply was there are plenty of people that want to adopt....my reply is no one can afford to adopted in the USA I know several who have went out of the states to do so.......AND WHO DO YOU KNOW THAT WANTS TO ADOPT A HANDICAPPED CHILD WITH NO OR VERY LITTLE QUALITY OF LIFE JUST BECAUSE SELF-RICHIOUS & PREJUDICE PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND THINK WE SHOULD LET THESE KIDS LIVE AND SUFFER. And don't get me started on the Republican vp candidate.....when you are a mother of a 4 month old and a vp candidate who's being the mother to that child and when you reach a certain age you are told the risk's of having a downs syndrome baby.
I seen an interview where she played as if she had no ideal what had caused their child's situation.
So come on Obama I love how you and your family have been very calm and non bashing but it is time to kick that OLD geezer in the rear end!

He needs to save them legs because it looks like he lost his arms and don't worry Obama won't hurt the old white haired man to hard.

I'm sure McCain is shaking in his boots

That's not good. The shoes will get creases in them. Remember, they are $500 shoes.

Having graduated fifth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis McCain is not smart enough to shake in his boots.

PS...his boots are $520 loafers.

I seriously doubt Obama buys his shoes at Walmart. So what is your point?

Patricia: My point was the McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at Annapolis.

He did not buy the loafers at Wal Mart because they were mad in Italy and not China.

I still don't get your shoes point. Are you sayng Obama's shoes are made in China? Who the heck cares? And do you really believe that?

When you go to your doctor for treatment, do you ever ask what his GPA was? Do you know if the MD that is about to perform surgery on you barely passed the State Boards? No, you seek out a physician who you believe has the most experience and qualifications to do the job. Personally, I would take an experienced brain surgeon over the recent medschool grad with the highest GPA. Regardless of his shoes.

ROFLHAO is more like it!

Patricia...when I had my amputation I did indeed check out the surgeon's qualifications. Also I have checked out the qualifications of my doctor. You can find out much in the internet.

By the same token I have found out much about McCain and Obama. McCain has you fooled.

As for the shoes...duh!

Patricia Swicicki:

"When you go to your doctor for treatment, do you ever ask what his GPA was? Do you know if the MD that is about to perform surgery on you barely passed the State Boards? No, you seek out a physician who you believe has the most experience and qualifications to do the job. Personally, I would take an experienced brain surgeon over the recent medschool grad with the highest GPA."

Sure would like to know a little bit more about his experience, such as his track record... oh that's right, not only did he fail his class but get skipped through, he later got shot down very soon into his aviator career. As a pilot myself, his younger years all the way up to his current years tells me he's very irresponsible wealthy brat. Sounds very much like, oh the current president we have. And his showing Saturday tells us his policies are identical to Bush.
Pick push, you pick disaster-- economic, security, and values of what is left the America will completely fall apart. Just a suggestion, vote Oboma :)
He's not a god, but its a safer bet for our future.

And yes, Obama needs to fight back and be more direct in answering questions. He can explain more after answering the questions concisely. His performance Saturday was wishy washy... it was horrible.

Why again should McCain be afraid of Barry? Is it because he's.............................
Liberal? You thought I was going somewhere else, right? My point, everyone should
be afraid, not of Liberals themselves, but their agenda to destroy our country. As you
saw in Saddleback, Barry, just as in Liberal fashion, evaded and eluded almost every
question. Like a coward. Why is HE AFRAID to give voters HIS STANCES on issues???
Since he hasn't explained his bumper sticker "Change" yet, why are you people
convinced that the "Change" he's selling is what you want? He is telling you that he IS
going to raise taxes. That will destroy our fragile economy. He is going to raise taxes
even higher to afford his trillions of dollars in new spending. I personally don't want the
government to take 50-70% of MY INCOME. Why would you?

neither obama nor his supporters believe he is anything other than the best person to lead the country away from the dark path the republicans and the religious right have us on. and while i'm sure that your belief that the power of sarcasm can help our country regain it's former stature as a world leader unfortunately your mistaken. besides the term second coming implies there was a first. we need answers and action not archaic beliefs and fairy tales.

Joe,

Framing the process in religious terms is something only someone in search of a "messiah" would do. I realize there are many of you aout there but using faith to cast aspersions is not very christian of you, in fact it's merely self-righteousness. I'm finding that most of this is coming from a group of people that have really very little understanding of economics, foreign policy or world affairs. and it doesn't really contribute to an exchange of ideas.

A good many people simply think Obama is the right man for the job. And a man he is, with his own foibles and character flaws. However, he does have one thing among many in his aresenal, he's an independent thinker with a good team backing him.

Face it, no president or presidential candidate will satisfy everyone, but the vitriol coming from the right is borderline zealotry. Quite honestly I don't understand it because I have yet to hear a rational argument out of that quarter from a rational individual out of that quarter.

Hillary as VP???! That will never happen RRenn, because the Messiah knows she's tougher and smarter than him... But that's ok, get your popcorn out and watch the Dem convention, it should be a lot of fun...

McCain 08

Renn, would you please cite Hillary's foreign affairs experience, and please do not name her husband's. He was the President, not her. It was not a co-Presidency.

Bush beat McCain in a Republican Primary some years back. Bush has some pretty unflattering things to say about McCain...including making the claim McCain lacked experience. Look what the experience of Bush got us.

h2o, even though I like neither Bush or McCain, and I consider McCain worse than Bush if that's even possible, but Bush had executive experience, as all Governors do. McCain is a legislator, as are Obama and Hillary. The Presidency is an executive position, so Bush actually did have more experience than McCain. Just because someone fights in a war, that does not give them the experience to lead a country at a time of war, as McCain claims. Fighting in a war does not give them foreign policy experience. McCain keeps repeating he knows how to win a war. What war has he won? When did he command any troops?

RReen made a comment about Hillary's extensive foreign affairs experience, and I would like to hear what it is, without citing her years in the White House. She didn't make any decisions, sign any veto's, enforce any laws, nor sat in any cabinet meetings while in the Governors Mansion or the White House. It's really just a simply question to a statement made. I am just curious what foreign affairs experience she has, and why she would be a better choice than someone like, let's say, Biden. At this point I don't care who the VP will be.

I disagree. The country is in a terrible state right now and Obama is right, we deserve a discussion of the issues, not some stupid character smears from McCain, and his stupid Hollywood celebrity commercials.

Serious times require serious answers. Not the BS and hate filled crap coming from McCain.

It seems like BHO is asking for an apology or two every day. It is getting rather boring. If BHO is elected, I think the lawyers are going to make a killing on all the new speech laws the dems will put into law.

Anyone who continues to use the BHO instead of just saying Barack or Obama or a combination of the two, lets me know just what kind of person they are. Grow a brain.

OMG!!! Oops, sorry, Oh My Goodness!

Excuse me................ From an earlier exchange, a few months ago, BHO was relevant. It is also easier to type/text.

But I will change my ways just for you. Please don't send me to sensitivity training or something like that.

Obama and followers : please grow a pair!

LOL Oops again, Laugh Out Loud.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama. I ve got a Brain.And I know how to use it

Your so scared of change or whatever it is that has your panties in a bunch that you try to scare people by using the mans middle name over and over to try to scare those who are as week minded as your self. You should be scared of old John and his lust for war. That's what scares me. It should scare all of us. Not a mans middle name.

I agree. Obama should put McCain on the line and expose him for what he really is.

In fact Obama should use words by Republicans in the past who have exsposed McCain.

Oh Most Royal Cat.

Thank you for reaching out to me in hope and love.

Barrack Hussein Obama scratch that...Barry Obama

Wow, you are so out of touch with reality it is amazing.

Former Marine Veteran? Seriously here, I do want to say thanks for your service. I served with some Marines in Afghanistan and was really impressed. I'm not one for rivalry between Army and Marines since we all do our part... but man, you are really off-mark here. I am guessing you are not a combat veteran?

Seriously, I am not picking on you but do you even read the news? McBush? McCain and Bush are anything but close friends and have very few political links except party name. Remember that McCain teamed up with Lieberman, Feingold, and Kennedy? How does any of that make him "McBush?"

And as far as your comments about war... man, I don't even know where to begin. Are we safe today from terrorists? No way. It's obvious -- attacks occur all over the world on a near weekly basis. We have stopped attacks on the Golden Gate Bridge, New York Bridge, and Hoover Dam in the last few years. We know that terrorists still want us dead. In fact, did you know that almost 20 box cutters were found in the backseats of airplanes after they were de-boarded and cleaned following the landing of all planes on September 11th? Some people estimate that as many as 22 planes were supposed to strike landmarks and buildings that day. Thankfully only two made it.

So yes, America is at war and the world is not safe. Wake up and look around. Why is everyone still arguing that the war in Iraq was a mistake and is failing when it clearly has reversed course and is heading for success?

Read the news, look around and then write your thoughts. Don't just vomit this regurgitation of the same old stuff everyone has heard over and over again. Seriously, man, don't prove Kerry's comments about military people to be true.

Amen Jasper!

McCain 08

Jasper. I to am a veteran, served two combat tours in a real war, not some off the cuff
make believe war. When we fought we had to go hand to hand. Heading to success, you got to be kidding. Tell me how do you win an insurgency. Not with military force, but winning the hearts and souls of the population. And in no way are we going to win the hearts and souls of the Iraqis. Where did you get the information that 22 planes were suppose to strike land marks on 9/11. Get real, we shot down the plane in Pa. thats verified, where did the other 19 go? All of the alleged plots to blow up the places you named were debunked as untrue. You say you served with some Marines in Afghanistan, but you didn't say in what capacity. Could it be you were on the side lines, and not in actual combat? Any one who has been in combat would not wish it on their worse enemy. As to Kerry, he was a war hero, not like McCain who sold his country out. Kerry was swift boated because he came back and denounced the Viet Nam war. He actually saw things that convinced him that the war was unjust, and needless. You are not someone I would go into battle with, because you are a go fer.

Jasper,

Let me first educate you on 9/11 there were a total of four planes and not two that crashed and killed innocent lives. So I have to ask, DO YOU READ THE NEWS?
1. Tower 1
2. Tower 2
3. Pentagon
4. Pa.

You probably have the wrong person to argue combat tours with MY FRIEND. In fact you read more like a GOP playbook of fear and Gloom. We are world enemy number one But it did not happen until the GOP got into office and we disregarded diplomatic and foreign policy. We attacked Iraq for no reason and if you think we did after all the proof that has come out then you MY FRIEND need help.

I argue the war was mistake because had it not happen we would not have lost over 4 thousand American lives. Perhaps it's are easy for you to discount their ultimate sacrifice. And please before you start the nipple pulling of your breast, WE DON'T HONOR THEM BY STAYING THERE AND GETTING MORE KILLED.

Fact McCain has voted over 91 % of the time with Bush look it up before you complain about my posts. So yes he is close to Bush and it will be a Bush third term.

Although we disagree, i truly and respectfully honor your service and the sacrifices of your family. The combat tours in OEF and OIF are totally different, so please don't confuse the two.

First off, I want to say that I appreciate your comments about honor and sacrifice of combat tours on our families. I am eternally grateful that men and women from such diverse backgrounds can come together like brothers on a battlefield and forget politics.

My first comment is that yes, I am fully aware that four planes went down. That statement followed my comment about landmarks and buildings that were targeted that day. Of those landmarks only two were hit -- the pentagon and the twin towers (for the sake of argument, fine, I will agree that technically it was three buildings, ie... the TWO towers and the pentagon. I simply lumped the twin towers into one.

As far as your opinions, it is pretty obvious we will not agree. However, I would still argue that comments of McBush is out of place. It is an attempt to drag one man into anothers perceived failures by the Obama campaign. The facts are that McCain, on some of the most important issues -- campaign finance reform, immigration policy, amnesty, global warming, supreme court justices, and even at one time on taxes -- did not side with George Bush. I hardly think that qualifies him as McBush. You cannot simply look at a percentage -- a percentage that has dissenters I might add -- and claim that it equates to the same as another person. He chose to draw the line in certain very anti-partisan areas. Why do you think so much energy and conversation has been spent trying to determine if he can expect the full support of the republican party hard line voters?

As I said before, I can see that you and I will not reach a common understanding of the ongoing war. No, I am not confusing OEF and OIF -- I've been to both and believe we need to finish what we are doing in both locations. I appreciate your sentiments about getting them out and honoring them by not having more killed -- but I strongly disagree. We honor them by remembering them as people who fought and died for the rights of others. This is not the writing of a war monger. I was there too.

Few people are debating whether or not, knowing what we now know, going into Iraq was a good idea. The problem now is how to continue? Should we pull out and let the country fall into total instability?

My father was in Vietnam when that country fell during the Tet Offensive. It's great for people to talk about giving peace a chance. Many hippies back home celebrated our failure since it ended the death toll back home. But it did not end the death toll of the South Vietnamese. My dad can testify to the people that were being rounded up and executed simply for assisting or living near the Americans. It is simply naive to assume anything other than that would happen in Iraq.

Lastly, if we were still receiving daily news of massive American causalities and failures out of Iraq, I might be more inclined to agree. But the truth is that the surge seems to have worked. What is the greater way to honor our friends and brothers that lost their lives overseas? To pull out and effectively say that they died for a war that we should not have fought in the first place, that they died for nothing, accomplished nothing, and ruined the lives of the Iraqis? Or to finish what they started, declare true victory, and leave a safer, more unified Iraq behind that allows its people a freedom they may never have experienced in their lives?

Its funny how we are only hated by other country when a republican isin.Didn't the
USS
COLE happen on Clinton watch and I remember when Iran had AMERICAN HOSTAGES WHEN CARTER was president so don't try to sell that sh-t here.We are hated by these other country because we start out helping them and some Dem starts running their mouth and we pull out and leave them hi and dry just like OBAMA HUSSEIN wanted to do .

Why do some insist that leaving Iraq now would equate to failure? What is your metrics for success? We have ousted Saddam, we have put into place a government that resembles a Democracy, and yet if we leave now after 5 years it's a total failure.

This is why I think it will never work, the civil unrest in Iraq has never been about the style of government in place because the Baath Party was a secular and religious rule. They have a thousand year of fighting over religious beliefs . A democratic government does not address that problem. Secondly, our current government recently employed some of the key figures in Saddam regime to positions of authority. That's kinda like making a druggie a Pharmacist don't you think? So now we are honor our brave warriors by employing those that possibly had a hand in their deaths. Talk about having a twisted honor system in this country.

campaign finance reform, immigration policy, amnesty, global warming, supreme court justices are all awesome concerns. In fact when Senator McCain was asked which supreme justice would he get rid of about 5, Senator Obama indicated that he did not think Clarence Thomas was fully qualified. Senator Obama has stated his beliefs on abortion. I equate Senator McCain's inability to get along with members of his own party as a Bushism. Currently we don't get along with our once allies that fully supported us prior to Bush reckless behavior. I will also submit that Tony Blair's blind faith in Bush cost him re-election in Britain.

I honestly in my heart don't think Senator McCain has the wisdom to command this country. When asked at the about what he considers wealthy in this country his response" Any family that pay their bills" Now that is out of touch with the mainstream America, most families bust their butts to make ends meet and are not wealthy by any stretch. Senator McCain does not have to worry about the cable, phone, medical bill, etc. I am not knocking his wealth, I just don't think he lives in the real world of reality. His military experience is being given way to much credit. he was the Co of a training Squadron, you and I both know in most case those are dead end positions for a career officer to end up at a training Squadron. He reportedly crashed three aircraft, so I don't think he was the toast of Navy Aviators. He was a POW and made over 20 tapes for the vietcong. I have search for other POW's that were with him to make statements regarding his courage under fire, but can't find any.

Finally let's forget the phone ringing at 2am, I am concerned if the phone rings at 2pm, will he be awake and coherent? If elected he will be 81 at the end of his term.

Finally Jasper, you and I are comrades in arms with different opinions. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Like so many before us and those that will come after us, we have fought for responsible Freedom of speech.

I agree with most of what you said but I think Bush is secretly following Cheney's advice/orders. Let's face it, Bush doesn't have enough shrewdness and brainpower to pull off anything by himself.

BHO embarrassed me by acting like he was president in Europe.

McCain has to attack because he does not get any coverage if he doesn't. If the MSM would honestly cover the campaigns, you would see an entirely different race.

Lmhybrid,

I agree. I too was embarrassed by Senator Obama when he was in Europe. I don't want this type of change. We have worked hard over the last 6 years to become the most hated country in the world. We love it when our President visits a country and they protest, yell obscenities and burn the American flag. After all, they are either "for us or against us". We must "stay the course" by keeping our allies confused and disappointed. This whole thing about speaking before an adoring crowd of 200,000 is overrated. I'm more partial to having a President address the country from the dairy aisle of the local Piggly Wiggly.

That's real American leadership for Americans that are All-American in their Americanness!

I travel to Europe twice a year. Most of the people I come across love us. Those who do not are usually jealous or believe everything the democrat party of the US says in their news media.

*LOL @ LMhybrid* You go to Europe 2x a year and "most of the people you come across love us"...there could only be one of two reasons (or even both):

1. The only people you talk to are people that know you and like YOU (not necessarily where you come from) because Europeans are polite. (I know this because I've lived in Europe for a total of about 6 yrs.)

2. They are making money off of you.

*ROFL*

McCain has to attack because he does not get any coverage if he doesn't.

Sounds like the insecure kid who throws rocks and spits on people to get attention.

Yes, they make money off me and I off from them. Most of them have also traveled to the USA themselves and have experienced what a great country the USA is.

The American people are not hated, our government (Bush) is.

I am kind of like you, except I am a McCain supporter by default. I would definitly try to persuade you not to make a default decision based on political ads. They are, like most ads, designed to make us think something we normally would not. If Budweiser was really that good, they wouldn't need to spend millions convincing us it is that good.

Cholla clearly has no idea what a marxist is, or is just spouting bs.

Axel000...

I suppose YOU know what a marxist is... You probably lived in the US all your life huh? This IS the greatest country in the world, because of capitalism... you are the 7 year old Kool Aid drinker that falls for the leftist agenda that is fed to you by your professors in school and media... Dig in deeper and research Obama's policies and you will see where he wants to take this country... Think for yourself my friend, stop following the masses...

Its maybe not complete Marxism, but the whole re-distribution of wealth and universal health care is getting close. The first punishes the rich and gives to the poor by government mandate instead of allowing the classes to exist. The second gives the government more control over the lives of the population. If they control the health care system, then they can control other aspects of your life because they (well the taxpayers -again spreading money "evenly") want to keep costs down. Let's ban trans fats so we don't pay for all those heart attacks, let's ban cigarettes because cancer is costly instead of letting people live their lives how they want and suffering their own consequences.
Survival of the fittest only works if you let it.

COMMMMMMMMMMUNISM:

Anything someone doesn't agree with and wishes to demonize out of hand.

(see also, SATANNNNNISM)

When I hear Obama called a Marxist o a communist it makes me wonder exactly which part of the Communist Manifesto people are basing that claim on. More than likely they are just parroting something they have heard someone else say.

cholla, you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no way in h*** that Obama is a Marxist. Anyone with any sense knows that. If Obama followed any of the philosophers of that time period he would probably follow Friedrich Hegel. Hegel proposed, and I quote "a form of idealism in which the progress of freedom is the guiding theme of human history. Freedom progresses by the development of ideas into their contraries. That is, material circumstances in the world are dictated by a series of conflicts and subsequent compromises between ideas. Hegel believed that for every thesis in the history of humanity there arises an antithesis to counter it. In the conflict that follows a synthesis is formed. For example, in France during the 18th century that divine right absolutism of King Louis XIV would be a thesis on government. The radical liberalism of Robespierre would be an antithesis. Finally, the enlightened despotism of Napoleon would be a synthesis of the two. This process, dialectic, sometimes involves gradual accretion but at other times requires discontinuous leaps -- violent upheavals of previously existing status quo. World-historical figures such as Napoleon Bonaparte are, on the Hegelian reading. Hegel's dialectical process included the personal as well as the natural, the ideal as well as the material."
Please get your facts straight, I have seen you on many forums spewing this junk, and if you can't say anything intelligent or anything you can back up with facts don't say anything, because you just come off sounding like you don't know what you are talking about.

Qualifications and policies are not the problem here. We can and should ask those questions all day long. Obama's experience and liberal rating certainly fall into this category.
Questioning a man's integrity or patriotism should not be the issue, unless there is good reason to do so. I don't beleive that using drugs in college is an issue (we know Bush did and really, who didn't?) but McCain is trying to make this the issue on which we decide our next President. I don't beleive whether a guy smoked pot 30 years ago is an issue.
McCain's personal history is extremely unflattering, but short of being a mass-murderer, I don't look at that as a reason to vote for or against him. I do look at his income tax proposals and his "apparent" bent on extending the Bush doctrine as real issues.

I think patriotism is a big issue. Patriotism is love of country. If a candidate doesn't have this love, what drives their decision making process. We know that most candidates will say whatever to get elected. Look at the contrast in Obama's positions during the primaries and general election. To me every event in a person's life shapes who we are and what we believe and why we do the things we do. I did not mean that past drug use disqualifies a candidate, but that and everything I can find out helps create my opinion of someone.
As far as taxes go, I am against raising taxes in almost every situation. The Marxist philosophy of taxing the rich to benifit the poor doesn't work. The tax cuts that "benifit the rich the most" is a play on numbers and words by liberals. "Rich" people pay more taxes than "poor" people. If there is a tax cut, it seems logical that the people that are paying the most should benifit the most. Liberals want people who pay no federal taxes, about half of the population, to get tax refunds paid for by people who do pay taxes (The other half).

blb-403846,

"To me every event in a person's life shapes who we are and what we believe and why we do the things we do. I did not mean that past drug use disqualifies a candidate, but that and everything I can find out helps create my opinion of someone"

So what is your opinion regarding John McCain committing adultery? or does that play into your GOP agenda? after all it is a major character flaw, don't you agree?

What is your opinion regarding John McCain voting with Bush over 91% of the time? If I read into your logic it must be favorable. Then like John McCain you have no concept of our economic woes.

What is your opinion about the his years in the Senate expertise and yet he voted for a war based on lies and deception? That using the ole noggin to it's full potential!

My Friend, Bill Clinton left your beloved GOP with a surplus budget, in just eight years we have bankrupt our future. We are now getting loans from China, Korea, and Japan to help out a weak dollar. But we don't have a problem sending 10 billion each month to Iraq.

Why do you suppose over 10 GOP Senators will not be attending the GOP convention? John McCain can't get the support of his party but to his credit he was able to get a vote of confidence from the Vietcong Officer that held him captive. That significant endorsement must be a result of the nick name awarded to him by the Vietcong "song bird" , So my friend the next time you bring up character do some due diligence.

To me every event in a person's life shapes who we are and what we believe and why we do the things we do.

GREAT! Now read about McCain's divorce and tell us what you think THEN.

blb: I guess the partiotism part is a real issue if you don't see Obama as being patriotic. I do so it's not an issue for me. regarding taxes, No one likes to pay taxes and I'm not in the best spot for Obama's tax proposal but I do believe that 1. the deficit can not continue to grow without limit and barring any significant reduction in expenditures (which there never is, no matter which party is in office), nothing but a tax increase will address this problem. The Iraq war will cost somewhere around $1trillion but who pays for this? For a long list of reasons, I think it's immoral to pass this bill onto my kids or grandchildren. 2. Rich should pay more because they benefit more and, pragmatically speaking, who else has the money to pay? I say they benefit more because the bum on the street has no financial incentive to support a million-man standing army (as an example) but the guy in the penthouse sure does. So who should pay more?

cholla: I've never heard Obama espouse Marxism. Do you have any substantiation for this charge?

Oh grow up and start debating the issues. Is this all the GOP has now, character smears ? Pathetic.

Cholla,

Let me see if I have this straight.

Health Care: Ensuring that all Americans have health coverage is a bad thing? Is it better to have people die from very preventable medical issues simply because they can't afford health care? We provide a very good health care package to the members of Congress. Do you oppose that as well? I medical coverage a right and not a privilege. It would save endless amounts of money by no longer having the emergency room become the Dr's office of choice.

Community Service: This is bad too in republican land? I think it's very much needed. What is wrong with investing time, resources and effort into our communities? Why shouldn't young people learn to value their communities? What is so wrong about volunteering to help improve the lives of those around you? Is the point to have dilapidated neighborhoods to remain so? That makes absolutely no sense.

Higher taxes on the rich: Well, who should pay more taxes, the poor? Rich people have accountant and money managers to assist in exploiting every tax loophole there is in order to not pay their fair share. I have no sympathy. We are all Americans and should all be invested in our country. Infrastructure repair, fire and police departments, public parks, etc are all paid for with tax money. Off shore accounts and dummy corporations are just a couple of ways that the rich avoid paying taxes. So, don't cry to me about the supposed unfairness of it all. I'm not buying it.

Darin
I'm glad to see you agree that a person's past is worth considering. I think it's ironic that you blast McCain's adultery and then praise Bill Clinton in the same discussion. I also think it's amazing how liberal talking points are so contagious. How could McCain vote with Bush at all when Bush don't cast a vote. Oh Billy Bob gets way too much credit for what the GOP congress did in the mid to late nineties. In the 94 Republican revolution the Contract With America called for a balanced budget. In the early nineties we defeated Iraq. They surrendered. Saddam remained in power with conditions. He didn't keep up his end. Billy was busy doing other things and when we were attacked in 2001 Bush reacted. The only lies and deception are in the liberal agenda.

MRT,
i know, liberals have a knack for ignoring history and facts. The biggest strike I have against Bush and congress (both parties) for the last 6 to 8 years is their uncontrolled spending. It makes me sick! Reagan proved that lower taxes on businesses increases GDP and revenues. Higher taxes reduces GDP and revenues. I agree that it doesn't seem likely that congress will cut spending, but we are at a point that raising taxes on individuals reduces the amount of money received by the gov't.
Also, liberalism is Marxism. Simply read some of his material and you will see, I guarantee. Liberals don't usually call it that because it is common knowledge that it is evil. They first called it communism and socialism, to cloud the issue they called themselves liberals. people are beginning to see the truth so the now are calling themselves "progressives".

DarinD,

What about the recession that Clinton handed over too?

As far as politicians pasts go, no one claims McCains adultery was a good thing, same in Obama's drug use. Thats not the issue here.

As for those defending Obama's marxist tendencies, I will answer Str8UpNoChaser

Healthcare: You are wrong, healthcare is a priviledge and not a right. Look it up in the constitution. This is not a right we have, nor is it one we ever should have. Regardless of that argument, if you want to see the beauty of universal healthcare, look to Canada and Great Britain and their ever failing systems. Universal healthcare is an ideal, not a reality. I would love to have healthcare provided by the government and get everyone covered. However, it is not an effective solution for our economy AS WELL as our nations health. Instead of most people getting really good health care, everyone would be getting terrible healthcare. That doesn't sound like a solution to me.

Community Service: Wrong again. Community service is donated time, not forced time. Forced community service is straight out of old communist propaganda, 'Whats good for the state is good for you'. PEOPLE should be helping others, not the government force. And I hate to break it to you, do a little research and you will find Republicans give a substantially larger percentage of their income to charity than Democrats. And thats not because 'they are rich'. Its percentage based.

Higer taxes on the rich: Dead wrong. The people who earn 60% of the nations income, pay 70% of the taxes right now. That means they are already paying more than their fair share. Besides, 'rich' does not equal rolls royces and mansions, many people who are considered rich by Obama have a budget and live according to their needs. If they make 250,000 a year, they take home about 150,000, and under Obama, they will lose another 11,500 off of that. That is substantial and will cause millions of families to have to change their lifestyle just as a middle class person would if someone took a way a large portion of their income.

To quote the late Kurt Vonnegut:

"(quoting Marx) 'From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs'...EGAD, what an EVIL concept!!!"

But seriously...patriotism is striving to do what's best for all US citizens, which requires dedication and effort. It is not waving little flags and spouting "God Bless America," which is just jingoism.

If they make 250,000 a year, they take home about 150,000, and under Obama, they will lose another 11,500 off of that.

Unless they live in sunny California, I don't see that putting a major dent in their abilities to make ends meet...and then some.

Drug use? blb, you really want to bring that up? I mean, if that's what you want to go with, need I remind you there has been a cokehead pretending to be president sitting at the oval office for the past 7 years!!!! Wake up!!

Str8UP:

If people can't afford health care now ... how will they be able to afford it when the government (i.e. taxpayers) assist them? Plus what about all the illegals filling up emergency rooms that won't pay into the system at all. Why does my money have to go to pay for everyone else's health care. I have to pay into my health care. why shouldn't everyone else? I don't think it right for the government to take my money and give it to everyone else. If I want to give to a charity that helps those w/out health care, that's my prerogative. If private companies want to help out that is there's but the government will never be able to fund something like this without majorly arsing taxes or cutting benefits. Just look at the mess Massachusetts is in. And yes a republican instituted it but only because the people wanted it and he thought he could make it better and less costly. WRONG

Government aided volunteerism is again spending money that the government doesn't need to spend. If people want to volunteer there are many places they can go. But the government funding it is a waste of taxpayer money.

The rich worked hard (or got lucky) so why should they have to pay for others that haven't worked as hard or are just lazy? I'm sure their ancestors had to work their ass off to get their family to that level over many generations. So now new poor generations need help from the rich? Why? Redistributing the wealth discourages people to succeed. why succeed if they government is going to take it away. It aims to destroy the classes which is well on the path to socialism.

I'm sure we are just going to disagree because these are fundamental beliefs. I'd love to hear why all these things are so good and how they aim to move society forward rather than force equality when people are clearly not equal.

"Unless they live in sunny California, I don't see that putting a major dent in their abilities to make ends meet...and then some. "

Have you ever even been to California? Not everyone here is rich and happy; our housing costs are usually higher than the rest of the country (depending on what part of Ca you're in)-the average for buying a place in some parts is over a million (which, unless you're super-rich, most Californians can't afford), our gas prices are higher than the national average, and we've been losing quite a lot of jobs in addition to a huge budget deficit (which our governor's lovely plans aren't helping that much). I realize that you seem to have the perception that everyone in Ca is Hollywood rich and famous, but most people are in fact not.

I just listened to Rush Limbaugh say "make no mistake about it, Obama and the Democrats want to ruin this country". Is this the state of political discussion on the right? Do we no longer talk about issues? Do we now only talk about who is more "patriotic" and not the issues? McCain says he wants to win the war while Obama wants to loose the war. Does anyone really believe Obama or anyone wants to loose a war. Obama could just as easily say "McCain wants to kill 4,000 more US soldiers", but he doesn't. He sticks to the issues.
Obama could have made millions on Wall Street. He chose to be a district organizer and work thorugh the ranks of local politics. Is this the mark of a man that is unpatriotic? I am uneasy with his choice of churches as anyone would be, but he isn't guilty by association just as McCain isn't guilty of the 80's S&L Bank scandal, although he was closely tied and buddy-buddy with the perpetrators.
Let's get back to real issues and move away from Limbaugh insults and name-calling. It belies the intelligence of these great United States.

cholla. Give me your definition of Marxism? You throw the word around like its something that can be caught. I don't believe you know what the word patriotism means. Look it up, you might learn something.

Cholla -

Just curious. Do you think Medicaire and Medicaid are Marxist programs? Do you think public schools are the mark of socialism? Are local fire departments a product of a communist plot?

John McCain never lies and is always right.

Barack Obama drowns kittens.

I'm John McCain and I approved this message

Communism and Marxism are very different. It is so hard to explain the simple things that some of you people obviously don't take the time to look up. RESEARCH and DISCOVER.
Cholla is some 12 year old who is borrowing her mom's computer and has a few words that she likes to use, unfortunately she doesn't know the meaning of most of them, however she is the ideal poster child for McCain's campaign because she is so uninformed and ignorant. Her definition of Marxism proves it. Marxism is much more complicated that she can understand. Socialism......you know that might not be such a bad idea.....I mean we are giving free food, free housing, free medical, to a select few of Americans through welfare. I too, would like some of this, I pay enough each month for several people to be able to be insured. But, I think it will be a long time before people really understand socialism and this country isn't in danger of every going down that path, especially since the doctors and insurance people would have to live like the rest of us.

And Kyle, I hardly have the energy to answer your post. If health care is a privilege why do we give Medicaid to all the welfare folks? Let them all die, huh? And what about Medicare, they take almost 500 dollars out of my paycheck every month for that privilege...... and I probably won't make it to 65, and why should I pay in, I have insurance?

Cholla, you are just too weird to have a conversation with. Forced.....you mean like the draft that took my husband to Vietnam? Nothing would be forced in Obama's program. And communism and socialism and Marxism are NOT synonyms. Some ignorant people need to do a little research, they are not "he" same at all. Please it's past your bed time.

OBAMA 08 = OSAMA 09

Has Obama told his handlers to quit accusing McCain of cheating at the Saddleback? It is pretty pathetic.

Yeah, if anything Obama got the leg up. Rick Warren said he told Obama about that orphan plan question prior to the interview so he could think it over where McCain was not told. How about, people stop pointing fingers and just accept that while Obama did fine defending his beliefs in front of a crowd that largely doesn't support him, McCain came out strong in front of what could be considered his base and nobody expected it.

royalcat Notice, I don't stoop to your level.

So.... should both candidates step down over lies? Obama has rolled up a bunch of recent ones himself.

How About "I did not vote to withhold medical care from aborted babies that survived the abortion and were born living". Matter of public record. He did vote for the bill.

and there's "I support the second amendment". Yet every vote he has made has been for gun control. In fact he has not missed a single opportunity to vote against the second amendment.

"I am a Christian" Yet in an interview he stated he believed there is more than one way to enter heaven. A Christian believes what Jesus said is truth and correct. Jesus said in John chapter 14 verse 6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". So to say there is more than one way to enter heaven is to say Jesus did not know what he was talking about or was a liar! Doesn't sound strictly Christian does it?

While we're discussing not sounding strictly Christian, Mr. Obama supports abortion on demand. He has stated the first legislation he wishes to accomplish if elected president is a bill that will remove all controls and limitations on abortion. This includes the removal of any counseling before abortions, no Parental notification for minor children, and allows for 8 month 3 week term, on demand abortion of completely viable babies capable of surviving on their own. Sounds about as Christian as Lucifer.

You vilify Mr. McCain for using a story from Solzhenitsyn yet you say nothing about Mr. Obama using large portions of Deval Patrick's speeches as his own.

Why is it that as an informed and knowledgeable person of Mr. Obama's political career you have said nothing of how he won is first campaign. Perhaps because it is not to flattering. You see his paid consultant Ronald Davis, who Mr. Obama called the "guru of petitions", and Mr. Davis' team went over the qualification petitions of the incumbent state senator Alice Palmer and the other 3 candidates. Alice Palmer had 1,580 signatures on her petition which was more than twice the required 757. Mr. Davis and his team began to disqualify signatures on any means possible. A Chicago news paper reported names were disqualified for things such as printed names instead of written, a female voter had married after registering and had signed with her maiden name. Ultimately they were able to bring the number of signatures below the 757 mark, thereby getting the sitting incumbent state senator thrown off the ballot. Another candidate, Gha-is Askia had 1,899 signatures yet Mr Davis and his team were able to disqualify enough to bring him below the 757 mark, as well as the other two candidates. But when you consider this was just standard Chicago dirty politics, it comes as no surprise. Not to hard to win an election when your the only candidate on the ballot! A new political wind IS blowing, it's called deny the voters a choice!

But that's not all, Mr. Obama could have helped Chicago rid itself of one of its corrupt political machines in 2006 when John Stroger face re-election against a reform minded liberal democrat in the Cook County primary. Local politicians on both sides who were tired of the corruption lined up to support against Stroger. Yet, Mr. Obama said not a single word either way. Stroger won by a narrow margin. Before the general election Mr. Stroger fell ill, to ill to run. His son stepped in and took his place on the ballot, a questionable action. Democrats were incensed, many refused to support their own candidate, and some announced they would vote for the republican candidate. Only at this time did Mr. Obama say anything. He came out in support of the younger Stroger. Naturally Mr. Stroger won. Since the election both his and his father's administrations have came under federal scrutiny for illegal cronyism and patronage hiring. A retired judge was placed over the investigation after the FBI raided the Cook County office building in September of 2006. Yep, A new wind is blowing, support your local crooked politician and help keep him in power.

Of course you don't want to forget about Mr. Obama's 2007 endorsement of Mayor Daley, who's two aids Robert Sorich and Timothy McCarthy were indicted in 2005 and convicted in 2006 on charges related to rewarding Daley's political allies with jobs and promotions. At least Mr. Obama knows to back the people who control the money and know how to blame the other guy!

I wonder how The Chicago Tribune got wind of the contents of Blair Hull's divorce records, Mr. Obama's opponent in the democratic primary for the U.S. senate. A record that Mr. Obama's consultant David Axelrod knew about. Oh did I mention that Mr. Axelrod's former employer was The Chicago Tribune or that the Tribune dug up this story a couple of weeks before the election and it's contents took Mr. Hull from a 27% Hull to 17%Obama 17% Hynes lead to a third place finish at 10.8%. Yep, a new wind, kinda smells like someone broke wind.

I wonder how Mr. Obama was able to arrange for a California judge to order the release of his opponent's divorce records in his general election run for the U.S. senate. The contents of those records ultimately caused Mr. Obama's opponent Jack Ryan to relinquish the nomination, and no suitable replacement was found. Mr. Obama ultimately ran against a last minute fill in, Alan Keyes. Hmmm, that's some foul wind, someone been eating cabbage!

There is a Hell of a lot more than just this little tide bit of Mr. Obama's political career and history so if you want to talk about being informed and having researched a political candidate you might want to actually be informed or keep your boasting to those weak minded close circle friends your so used to bullying into submission.

Amen, The list is a lot longer than that! Thanks for informing the Obamabots.

This is so typical. Now Obama has an "obusive personality disorder".

Jasper - Your statement would be a great advertisement!

Thank you.

Well stated Jasper. I couldn't agree more. If you watched a lot of the Saddleback debate, McCain pretty much knocked it out of the park against Obama, who was vague and tentative throughout. Obama wouldn't simply admit to an audience, that he knew was adversarial, that he favored abortion, (above my pay grade, etc.). Obama even had the hutzpah to lie about working together with McCain on an ethics bill to answer one question, when that is one of the most clearly documented partisan "bail outs" that is on his extremely short resume. Then his campaign, knowing how he significantly under-performed, starts trying to deflect his poor performance by insinuating McCain "cheated." Please. This guy is not anything new to the political scene. In reality he represents the worst of what our system produces, opportunists that are always running for the next level. And yes, Obama's motives pales against a man who has put "country first" throughout his life.

Jasper -

Don't know where you get your information, but it must be from Limbaugh or Fox.

Regarding Obama's position on the surge ... never has changed. He has always said it would not lead to political reconciliation and therefore did not support it. It has lead to reduced violence (another topic), but there still has not been the necessary political reconciliation. He correctly pointed out that the Sunni Awakening, not surge-related, playing a role in the current reduction of violence. If you think he made contradictory statements, I would love to have you provide citations to what was said, when and where.

Obama was against off-shore drilling, but offerred to include it in a larger package to solve our energy crisis. That is not a flip, it is an olive branch in negotiation. Aren't we looking for people to reach across the aisle. However, you see this as a flip???? By the way, there was no vote on this ... it was an offer. Get your "facts" straight.

Iraq war "vote" ... did you even listen to the Saddleback "debate". He was not a US senator so he never voted on it. DUH!

Interesting that you would point out that Obama voted against a war funding bill only because it did not include a timeline for withdrawal, but voted seven other times to fully fund the war and our soldiers. On the other hand, you conveniently ignore that McCain has voted regularly to deny benefits to veterans. Most recently, he took the position that the Webb vet bill was a bad one. If you are a soldier, which I doubt, I would think you would have a problem with someone who has done so little for vets.

The list of McCain flip-flop, at last count, was over 60 positions. I would be glad to post it, but it would take several screens to get through them all.

And to Bill - again I doubt you actually watched Saddleback because Obama was quite thorough and clear on all his answers, although, unlike McCain, he did not give stump speech answers. He was clear on his policy positions on right to choose and it was Obama who cited his working with McCain on the ethics bill as an example of his being able to reach across the aisle.

As far as McCain cheating, it was NBC that reported (correctly it turns out) that McCain was not in a "cone of silence". This is a big issue since it is an issue of character and honesty, as well as an unfair advantage. McCain was asked if he had been in the cone of silence. Instead of saying no, he made a non-denial ... "I tried to listen through the walls". Is that the honesty you crave?

One other point about your great McCain, he said he would follow Bin Laden to the gates of hell to get him. "I will get him and I know how to do it", McCain claimed. Now that raises some interesting questions.

If McCain knows how to get Bin Laden, has he shared his knowledge with the Bush Administration? If so, why has the power of the US military/intelligence community not carried through? Or has the Bush Administration concluded that it is a poor plan to get Bin Laden?

If McCain knows how to get Bin Laden, is he not telling anyone how to do it so he can wait until he is President? Is waiting being a patriotic American? Is that acting in our best interests?

Or is this just an example of how McCain "won" the "debate" by using empty and idiotic statements?

B from D, you missed my point. When asked by Rick Warren to cite an example of working across the aisle and going against party politics, yes it was Obama who cited as his example of working with McCain. But the problem with that is that never happened. He led McCain to believe for a week that he would partner with him (as reported by Factcheck.org on the Newsweek web site the day after the debate) and then totally, completely bailed and parroted the Democratic party line. McCain was so angry he rebuked him in a well-publicized letter. So that is pretty much a total and absolute fabrication by Obama, but in his limited time of Senate service, that was all he had to draw on.

This "cone of silence" was simply a metaphor used by Saddleback and Warren to signify that he would not be able to hear the questions, etc. And if you watched Warren's total refuting that allegation yesterday, you would have heard that actually Obama and McCain had some hint of what some of the questions were, and that Obama had greater knowledge, because McCain was late to arrive and Obama was already being briefed.

The question to Obama also was "when does life begin" and not does a woman have a right to choose. So yes, I have a problem with someone not giving a straight up answer as "being above his pay grade." Please. I think Obama showed a lot of people that the clarity and courage to be president is indeed above his pay grade.

McCain has little power or influence to specifically direct the Bush administration to hunt down Bin Laden. I think the point he was making was that he would make the persecution and fight against Islamic fascism a center piece of his administration and that Bin Laden was a central point of that. And in the case of this comparative debate, Obama didn't even mention the threat of those terrorists or Bin Laden.

And yes, I did watch the Saddleback debate. I thought it was an excellent format to get a stark comparison between the two candidates.

Logic in a presidential election. A breath of fresh air.

As far as Saddleback is concerned, Obama did poorly because he always does poorly when not before a teleprompter. I wonder what teleprompter will be available to Obama if he ever got a call at 3:00 AM.

Patricia, it's McCain you need to worry about with the 3AM call, he'll probably hit the RED BUTTON thinking it's room service, and we will be in WWIII. The man is old, and foggy on a good day. I just can't believe you people would vote for someone you wouldn't support 8 years ago. He has gone down hill since. He is senile. SENILE. You just aren't voting for Obama because he doesn't look like you, is smarter, and has worked hard for what he has achieved. Admit it? I don't think so. McCain could be the most ignorant, despicable, adulterer, and liar on earth and you would still vote for him. Gee, he is and you are still voting for him! Made MY Point.

Don't pull that race crap. It is so overused it is like the boy that cried wolf.
It is no more than an argument used for an unsupported and defeated conversation.

I have always liked McCain and wanted him as the presidential candidate eight years ago. I am pleased he is running now. McCain fought vigorously over Rumsfeld's strategy in Iraq. He has never allowed party lines to dictate his voting decisions. Can you name me one occasion during Obama's 143 days in the Senate that he crossed a party line...there are none. Obama is bought and paid for by the far left and he is not allowed to do anything that would violate their investment. McCain has dedicated his life to the service of our Country in both the military and in politics.
Sorry, your little boy must be sent back home to grow up. Or as Hilliary put it...Man Up.

Very good advice

Check out everything you ever wanted to know about what Barack Obama stands for at his website, barackobama.com. It is spelled out in impressive detail.
Oh, but you won't, will you?
He's a "very vague person" because - honestly - you aren't going to bother yourself to find out anything about him.
Ha-haaaaaaaa, what a joke!

ELSNC. You must have been under that rock with him. He can change spending 10 billion dollars a month on an unnecessary war. If you want the war cost to go up to 20 billion, vote for McCain.

And if you want your IQ to go down, listen to ajsmith!

Please aj, leave the mindless slander to other messsage boards. Making up random facts isn't going to get you anywhere here.

Cholla,

Is Marxism the word on your word of the day toilet paper today?

Way to go Frank, I think all the money should go to the rich also. God knows, we don't want some poor person to get any of it.

Yes, some of the entitlements don't make sense, but, what what ever happen to compassion? We need to get away from the "ME GENERATION" Reagan economics. I'm not saying a free ride, I'm saying, let's have a little compassion. Worked your life for? When your SS isn't there for retirement, or you need a medical emergency in your old age and have no insurance, you'll still blame it on the left. They took everything, they spent all my money. The truth is, THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER. Unless your one of those rich people, you'll need yours in the end (if you live that long).

What are you all so afraid of? Somebody is getting something for nothing? I would guess, 80% of entitlements are deserved. We have soldiers coming home wounded, physically and mentally, and this administration could care less. We have handicap people, should they just live on the street. We have medical costs through the roof and a poor person with no insurance can't afford the costs. Should we just let them die?

Self centeredness and self righteousness is not enough to live off of. Maybe one day you'll learn this. All know, you'll blame it on the left.

Obama has said himself that Welfare needs to be reformed. Clinton started it and now Obama needs to finish it. He is proposing providing job training for those that are on welfare and get them off of welfare PERMANENTLY.

One start should be to reduce the amount of paperwork/time it takes to actually get on the program and to maintain it.

I, personally, think he should take it a step further and say that once you are off the rolls you can NEVER get back on it. Like they do with the Federal Grants for Students. Once you fall off the rolls for any reason, you can't ever get back on it, ever. He also needs to make it short term where while they are on welfare it is MANDATORY that they get the necessary job training and continue on until they have completed it and then they have x amount of time (6 months) to ACTIVELY seek a job. This falls in line with unemployment benefits. The moment they drop out of training for a job, they are off welfare. The moment they lose their job, they are off welfare. Period.

Welfare was created to help people get on their feet and it has turned into a crutch that people use to be lazy, good for nothing, bums and they pass it down from generation to generation and I don't care WHAT color you are.

There is a thing as compassion but there are several programs that need to be revamped, scraped all together or just started over and used for their intended purposes.

Amen, Clinton started it, Bush couldn't see it through, but I believe Obama will see the need and continue it. Welfare needs to end. These women need to stop have so many children, that end up in my classroom, who don't want to work for a grade, just for me to give it to them. We have to stop giving everything away.

Peggy-430515
"never made Admiral meaning there were Admirals that looked over his record and felt he wasn't good enough meaning being a POW didn't wipe away his fitness reports that he had over his career."
Want the truth Peggy? He did make admiral but turned it down. His disabilities that he suffer (so you could type freely on the blog) stopped him from flying at the end. FYI, he went through hell of a loy of therapy in order to fly after he left that VC torture camp. But fly he did and went on to command. Look it up! I tried to attach a link but this site would not allow it. It covers all, including his divorce ;which so many people are interested in ,that is a joke ,compared to the Marxist garbage Obama stands for and has been involved up to his neck in!

ElizaLa. Did the blog also state that he cooperated with the enemy? Death before Dishonor.

I'm really disappointed with all this "Obama is a Marxist" junk. It's an inane comment, no matter what the right-wing radio talk show hosts tell you. Whichever way you vote, please use your own judgement.

Agree, MRT, but you have to understand, it's all she knows. Her mom told her to say it.

Eliza:

McCain got his shoulder injuries from a faulty ejection when he was shot down.

Fellow POW's who were in the same POW camp never saw him seriously tortured and have doubts he was. After it was established McCain was son of an Admiral and he sang like a bird/made propaganda films for the VC, he was taken to a medical center that no other POW's had access to.

McCain didn't suffer for us or fight for our freedom. He was in the military to be an Admiral like his daddy and grandaddy but wasn't qualified enough. Flying missions in Vietnam(the whole war) had no bearing on protecting America's freedoms. We were there for the wrong reasons, just like Iraq.

If McCain was indeed put in command of anything other than himself, it was because of his daddy's clout and not by his own merit or abilities. Being next to last in all his classes speaks loudly on this matter.